Daniel, great read. I am fascinated by what you’ve laid out here and came to very similar conclusions myself recently.
Preterists can make the mistake of treating the Scriptures as an intellectual study that needs to be ‘worked out’ - yet the complete division between any 2 FPs shows just how far anyone is from doing that. We need to embrace there’s a whole lot more mystery in it.
When we spoke on my pod you spoke against the idea of Empire Christianity, which I agreed with at the time. But I’ve since become Catholic because the Catholic position perfectly synthesises all this near term fulfilment and establishment of something (a restored Davidic Kingdom), whilst allowing for both ongoing and future somewhat dual fulfilment. The challenge of all other positions is that you are forced to become entirely futurist on ecclesiology, because we await a future time when the church will actually work anything out.
Have you reconsidered this? Check Sean McMahon, another FP Catholic convert who has been doing lots of content on the intersection. John Bergsma’s work on Jesus as the Jubilee is also fascinating.
I’m glad you found a place you feel comfortable. Many of my favorite teachers are Catholics: Thomas Keating, Thomas Merton, St John of the Cross, the anonymous author of the Cloud of Unknowing, Richard Rohr, and many others, most of whom are from the contemplative tradition. One of my favorites outside that contemplative space is Erasmus. I really dig his stuff.
Even though I’m sympathetic towards Catholics, I don’t see myself going that route at the moment.
But I’m always down to talk to new people if you want to set up a conversation.
Is it possible there is nothing new under the sun - powers and principalities will deceive human nations to ride the whore of babylon (wealth, power) over and over again.
Happened in and 70AD and many times since and maybe in the future.
And is it possible it is so cyclical that the judgment by God (which is actually just the demonic system collapsing on itself when he fully gives the people over) is cyclical in response?
Maybe even timed to astrological ages? Per Timothy Alberino
And that we are in the middle of a very long history of which we humans are the younger siblings redeeming the older (fallen angels) and our human siblings through Christ in us?
Daniel, great read. I am fascinated by what you’ve laid out here and came to very similar conclusions myself recently.
Preterists can make the mistake of treating the Scriptures as an intellectual study that needs to be ‘worked out’ - yet the complete division between any 2 FPs shows just how far anyone is from doing that. We need to embrace there’s a whole lot more mystery in it.
When we spoke on my pod you spoke against the idea of Empire Christianity, which I agreed with at the time. But I’ve since become Catholic because the Catholic position perfectly synthesises all this near term fulfilment and establishment of something (a restored Davidic Kingdom), whilst allowing for both ongoing and future somewhat dual fulfilment. The challenge of all other positions is that you are forced to become entirely futurist on ecclesiology, because we await a future time when the church will actually work anything out.
Have you reconsidered this? Check Sean McMahon, another FP Catholic convert who has been doing lots of content on the intersection. John Bergsma’s work on Jesus as the Jubilee is also fascinating.
Cheers
Luke (What’s the Point Anyway)
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I’m glad you found a place you feel comfortable. Many of my favorite teachers are Catholics: Thomas Keating, Thomas Merton, St John of the Cross, the anonymous author of the Cloud of Unknowing, Richard Rohr, and many others, most of whom are from the contemplative tradition. One of my favorites outside that contemplative space is Erasmus. I really dig his stuff.
Even though I’m sympathetic towards Catholics, I don’t see myself going that route at the moment.
But I’m always down to talk to new people if you want to set up a conversation.
Is it possible there is nothing new under the sun - powers and principalities will deceive human nations to ride the whore of babylon (wealth, power) over and over again.
Happened in and 70AD and many times since and maybe in the future.
And is it possible it is so cyclical that the judgment by God (which is actually just the demonic system collapsing on itself when he fully gives the people over) is cyclical in response?
Maybe even timed to astrological ages? Per Timothy Alberino
And that we are in the middle of a very long history of which we humans are the younger siblings redeeming the older (fallen angels) and our human siblings through Christ in us?
in other words the end times prophecies maybe are fulfilled multiple times into the future as these cycles play out. Almost like ground hog day?
I love learning new words. Now I can add "preterist" to my vocabulary!
The Bible is so relevant for today. More people need to hear that they should love their enemies and care for the fatherless and widows. :D