Daniel, great read. I am fascinated by what you’ve laid out here and came to very similar conclusions myself recently.
Preterists can make the mistake of treating the Scriptures as an intellectual study that needs to be ‘worked out’ - yet the complete division between any 2 FPs shows just how far anyone is from doing that. We need to embrace there’s a whole lot more mystery in it.
When we spoke on my pod you spoke against the idea of Empire Christianity, which I agreed with at the time. But I’ve since become Catholic because the Catholic position perfectly synthesises all this near term fulfilment and establishment of something (a restored Davidic Kingdom), whilst allowing for both ongoing and future somewhat dual fulfilment. The challenge of all other positions is that you are forced to become entirely futurist on ecclesiology, because we await a future time when the church will actually work anything out.
Have you reconsidered this? Check Sean McMahon, another FP Catholic convert who has been doing lots of content on the intersection. John Bergsma’s work on Jesus as the Jubilee is also fascinating.
I’m glad you found a place you feel comfortable. Many of my favorite teachers are Catholics: Thomas Keating, Thomas Merton, St John of the Cross, the anonymous author of the Cloud of Unknowing, Richard Rohr, and many others, most of whom are from the contemplative tradition. One of my favorites outside that contemplative space is Erasmus. I really dig his stuff.
Even though I’m sympathetic towards Catholics, I don’t see myself going that route at the moment.
But I’m always down to talk to new people if you want to set up a conversation.
well gods plan for the world has nothing to do with the israelites redemption story and the bible. the only reason anyone thinks that today is becuase thousands of years of illiterates misinterpreting the texts. it’s actually an insult to god to claim that the bible is relevant today because you’ve built a foundation on a pattern of lies.
Daniel, great read. I am fascinated by what you’ve laid out here and came to very similar conclusions myself recently.
Preterists can make the mistake of treating the Scriptures as an intellectual study that needs to be ‘worked out’ - yet the complete division between any 2 FPs shows just how far anyone is from doing that. We need to embrace there’s a whole lot more mystery in it.
When we spoke on my pod you spoke against the idea of Empire Christianity, which I agreed with at the time. But I’ve since become Catholic because the Catholic position perfectly synthesises all this near term fulfilment and establishment of something (a restored Davidic Kingdom), whilst allowing for both ongoing and future somewhat dual fulfilment. The challenge of all other positions is that you are forced to become entirely futurist on ecclesiology, because we await a future time when the church will actually work anything out.
Have you reconsidered this? Check Sean McMahon, another FP Catholic convert who has been doing lots of content on the intersection. John Bergsma’s work on Jesus as the Jubilee is also fascinating.
Cheers
Luke (What’s the Point Anyway)
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I’m glad you found a place you feel comfortable. Many of my favorite teachers are Catholics: Thomas Keating, Thomas Merton, St John of the Cross, the anonymous author of the Cloud of Unknowing, Richard Rohr, and many others, most of whom are from the contemplative tradition. One of my favorites outside that contemplative space is Erasmus. I really dig his stuff.
Even though I’m sympathetic towards Catholics, I don’t see myself going that route at the moment.
But I’m always down to talk to new people if you want to set up a conversation.
well gods plan for the world has nothing to do with the israelites redemption story and the bible. the only reason anyone thinks that today is becuase thousands of years of illiterates misinterpreting the texts. it’s actually an insult to god to claim that the bible is relevant today because you’ve built a foundation on a pattern of lies.
The Bible is so relevant for today. More people need to hear that they should love their enemies and care for the fatherless and widows. :D